Title: Art talk Hell's Kitchen
Description: week 9
chairo - July 30, 2007 04:27 PM (GMT)
Chef Ramsay's rampages are drawing to a close for this year. Are any of you going to apply for the next show?
Discuss tonight's show here.
jonnysbandit - July 30, 2007 05:55 PM (GMT)
:laugh
Hardly! But I think girlchf should! :)
girlchefj - July 31, 2007 04:40 AM (GMT)
Hey, that's a real compliment! Thank you :bounce
Actually, my husband mentioned that he was thinking about trying out. Personally, I don;t like attention and just the thought of being on national TV freaks me out. And I'd have to stop putting comments about the show on here ;)
Bentley - July 31, 2007 05:21 AM (GMT)
Right now you could knock me over with a feather: Jen was eliminated and I am still trying to understand why he chose Bonnie to stay over Jen. As close as I can come to understanding, Bonnie was able to summon the raw emotionalism to dress down the chef’s mistake scenario while Jen was somewhat weaker. In fact, of the three, I think Bonnie was clearly the most emotional, but I have to ask the question: what does that really mean?
To some extent, as undergraduates we all had the experience of sitting around discussing how a certain professor had handled a situation or a class topic poorly. I recall as a sophomore, I once objected to my professor’s opinion about a certain topic in early American history. I was, in fact, outspoken about it. When I went home for semester break I talked to my father about it, sure that he would side with me. My dad told me I was wrong and I was astounded.
My father said that my job was to listen to the professor, study the lesson and tell him that I had listened to him well enough to impress him that I understood the material as he presented it. At age 19, I thought there was a greater principle involved. There may have been a greater point involved, but I am convinced that I got a B in the course because I didn’t ultimately listen to the professor. The issue has a parallel here.
To some extent, as Chairo has pointed out, yelling at people is Ramsay’s style. Chairo further stated that she hoped that the remaining chefs would not fall into Ramsay’s abusive and arrogant style of communication. The sad part about it is that tonight they were forced to duplicate that style in order to impress Ramsay with their “effectiveness” in an exercise dressing down a chef who had made a mistake. After watching this show for weeks, I believe that none of the three can effectively adopt Ramsay’s style. Nevertheless, they were being graded on their ability to do what Ramsay told them to do.
Bonnie did the best interpretation based on pure emotionalism. I believe that if she tried to run a kitchen day in and day out like that, she would be a basket case within a week. I have stated several times using examples that Bonnie is extremely needy and requires constant reinforcement in order to continue. Wherever she ends up, I hope that she doesn’t try and duplicate what Ramsay was trying to impose on her tonight. I doubt Bonnie could ever find a style for criticizing another chef’s performance because she would be afraid he or she would not respect/ like her afterwards. I like Bonnie’s palate, food prep skills and I like the way she has helped others in the kitchen, but she just doesn’t seem to have leadership in her heart. She says over and over that the situation every week is surreal. That’s good if you are Salvador Dali, but not if you are a chef trying to narrow your focus.
Rock has the benefit of his imposing size and his deep sonorous voice. Nevertheless, he failed at his first effort in the exercise with Ramsay. The second time, he got mad and used a few swear words. This seemed to please Ramsay and he passed muster. Nevertheless, Rock was clearly not comfortable doing it Ramsay’s way, but I think he has a handle on how he will pursue it in his own way in the future. Rock can and will be just as effective without all the yelling, in my opinion.
When Jen came to the task, she seemed weak and somewhat ineffective the first time, even though you could almost hear her repeating the mantra she heard from Ramsay at lunch: be strong, assertive and in control. This is clearly not her milieu because when she scolded Ramsay the first time, she looked like she was about to break down and cry. She failed the first time but she did better the second. The second time she swore a bit and acted angry, but you could feel her heart just wasn’t in it. She passed the test but one could feel that Ramsay passed her grudgingly. After watching how upset Jen was when Rock said things to her last week, I conclude she would be a great emotional wreck if she tried to use this angry technique with other people. Jen is emotional in a very different way from Bonnie, but I feel at least she is somewhere in the real world. If given time, Jen could clearly develop a style which would be effective. Jen could clearly reason with people without the yelling and screaming Ramsay favors. Nonetheless, Jen finds decisions with people agonizing and I sense that confrontation is her weakness in a kitchen: she either isolates herself by not talking or explodes and becomes inept.
jonnysbandit - July 31, 2007 11:52 AM (GMT)
Maybe chef Ramsay couldn't get over the "garbage spaghetti" :laugh
I honestly don't think Bonnie has a chance but hey, I could be wrong.
thefriendshipsucks - July 31, 2007 05:07 PM (GMT)
I'm really happy with the final two. Mostly because now I know Rock will definently win. :D And missing the crab on the spagetti was a pretty obvious mistake. Even I could have caught that so Jen needed to go home.
chairo - July 31, 2007 05:21 PM (GMT)
JB, I think you are right. The trashy spaghetti I do believe was the death of Jen's chances. If she had excelled the remainder of the time she may still have been there, but she didn't and added to that incident, we bid her farewell.
lpatrick - July 31, 2007 06:24 PM (GMT)
I'm still trying to close my mouth I was so floored by the decision last night. Didn't Jen win the last three challenges??? I was just so shocked.
The finale looks like it will be lots of fun.
chairo - July 31, 2007 06:45 PM (GMT)
NO, Jen hasn't won the challenges. Just this week. Julia chose her to go with her to Vegas when she won the High School challenge and the week before that the men won. And before that it was goup wins and losses.
Just thinking, but in addition to the spaghetti in the trash incident, I think maybe her fight with Rock had something to do with the decision too.
The way reality shows are going right now, Bonnie just may walk away the winner.
jonnysbandit - July 31, 2007 07:08 PM (GMT)
I think the Mom lunch challenge was the only one Jen won.
From the previews it doesn't look like Julia is too happy to be back...
Bentley - July 31, 2007 10:08 PM (GMT)
Here's an interesting question: if you had to pick from the chefs coming back, which chefs would you pick to help prepare you to win? Keep in mind that some might hold a grudge. Would it matter which side you were on?
I would pick Julia, Jen, Eddie and Brad. I still think Eddie was sabotaged and I think he can cook well. I think Josh and Vinnie especially might have hostile attitudes. I still don't trust Joanna after the crab incident, Aaron will be a no-show, Melissa could be good or bad and Tiffany would be a negative.
By the way, listen to the exit interviews on the web, especially Brad's. I think it sheds some interesting light on the competition in general.
chairo - August 1, 2007 02:38 AM (GMT)
My dream team would be Julia, Melissa but don't know about the rest
jonnysbandit - August 1, 2007 01:00 PM (GMT)
MELISSA?!?!?! That scares me Chairo!!!
chairo - August 1, 2007 03:24 PM (GMT)
I only say Melissa because she did know what she was doing ... she just didn't do it. I think she would bust her butt to prove she is better than she appeared to be. It could backfire of course but everyone of them could hold a grudge. I can't remember how many applied but it was 1000's so Melissa had to have something to be chosen.
If she is chosen by either of them and screws up again I will pour salt on my foot and eat it LOL
dfleminator - August 1, 2007 03:47 PM (GMT)
eat the foot? or the salt?
chairo - August 1, 2007 04:06 PM (GMT)
I was deliberately ambiguous
dfleminator - August 1, 2007 04:07 PM (GMT)