Title: ART Talk - 8/23 - Rock Star Supernova
Epheks - August 24, 2006 12:04 AM (GMT)
Will a miracle happen and Patrice stays? Find out tonight.
lpatrick - August 24, 2006 02:53 AM (GMT)
Nope... she was sent packing. I actually got to watch the performances of the bottom three. Magni and Toby were awesome. I'm sure Patrice will do fine with her future endeavors.
Epheks - August 24, 2006 03:54 AM (GMT)
Patrice had a different sound for the band. I did like her original song but she isn't right for the band. She will do very well in whatever she does.
Anybodyhome - August 24, 2006 09:40 AM (GMT)
"Magni and Toby were awesome," that's it?!?!
Magni's performance of Jimi Hendrix's "Fire" was far and away the best pure rock performance of the season no question. I simply cannot believe he has been a bottom 3 member for the past 2 weeks- just goes to show that people are strange. He has hit every performance dead on with his vocals, although some people may be voting based upon song choice versus talent. Magni and Dilana are the only 2 performers in the group who have never missed a note throughout the competition.
Dilana dug herself a nice little hole she may have to share with something called "prima donna." All she had to do was keep her freakin' mouth shut, give Ryan his props and tell the press nothing. The excuse she had ready, "I'm a singer, I don't know how to deal with the press," is BS. She's been in the business for awhile and should know better. BTW, her CD released in May 2000 titled "Wonderfool" (Dilana Smith) is available on iTunes if you'd like to hear her from a few years back.
dfleminator - August 24, 2006 11:27 AM (GMT)
Just because you've been singing for a while doesn't mean you've dealt with the press. She obviously hasn't been a HUGE success, so I don't know why she would have had to deal with the press until now.
Overall, I thought that yesterday's show, and treating of Dilana expressed the double standard in Rock music that men can be a**holes, and it's cool, but women act the same way, and they're bitches or prima donnas. Remember when Dave Navarro told Lukas that he was arrogant and that he loved it? That whole first part of the episode made me feel sick, I thought it was absolutely disgusting.
rockoff - August 24, 2006 01:31 PM (GMT)
Dilana got exactly what she deserved...
The whole press business is one thing but to
make such a stupid comment as the one she
made to Ryan about the house band making
him look good , she just begged to be burnt...
My family and I started out loving D but now
its agreed she officialy blows...
beforeiforget - August 24, 2006 03:19 PM (GMT)
Epheks:
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| Patrice had a different sound for the band. I did like her original song but she isn't right for the band. She will do very well in whatever she does. |
Very much agree. From the final six contestants, there is not a one that you would suggest Patrice replace. This was her( over) time, and she'll be fine, having done just well enough in this competition to have a good year ahead with her like-mindeds.
We must speak of Lady Dil: There are a few camps into which Dilana fans might fall:
1)
funnygirl - August 24, 2006 03:57 PM (GMT)
I'm a huge fan of Dilana's and I thought her interview and comment to Ryan were brilliant. Take the one guy that's starting to sneak up on you and give him a good old fashioned beeyotch slapping and walk away.
I think the only reason Dilana apologized is because she was worried her fan base may find her a little harsh.
The double standard you speak of with men being a@@holes and getting away with it is categorically false. They crucified JD last year for some of the crap he was saying and doing and all it did was catapult him to the top of the herd. This will do the same for Dilana, but I just wish she would have said "it's a freakin' competition and I'm here to win!" instead of "I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings". :rolleyes:
beforeiforget - August 24, 2006 04:47 PM (GMT)
OK, so even within the 30 min grace period, I still don't know how to edit or re-enter my original message, so please permit me to continue my prematurely-sent post from minutes ago:
Re: The Dilana fans and the various degrees of your support:
1) You like her music passionately, and you are prepared to overlook her character issues as portrayed rightly/wrongly on the mansion webisodes and other perf/elim shows;
2) You like her performances passionately, but are concerned about her character issues, and think she may be as much a candidate for spiritual rehab as other contestants on this programme, and is just as likely as others you can name to implode, jump from bridges, etc. You have differing views about whether her tears are genuine or of the crocodile variety. You do not know what to make of her undisputed isolation during the elimination week show --- real or not real? Let's ask Howie. Sorry, that's Deal with a "D", isn't it.
3) You regard her performances as increasingly weak and wearing thin, and not as impactive as when you first saw her in weeks 1 and 2. You don't care that she may be remorseful or overconfident or whatever [EVS!] --- she just isn't your pick for the prize. You may even have a stronger view about her and her act, and hope she leaves.
Wishing all the best to the Dilana embeddeds. Sincerely. Some of us --- perhaps like the diehards might feel --- used to (and still might) love the way she could capture our heads and hearts through her unique performance routines. But don't you think you've shown, Dil, that you're determined to be antisocial and independently aloof from those in your proximity, so much so as to not bother to own up when the singular light is on YOU --- then, you, baby, indeed, are on your own. Your responses to DaveN's probes were tragicly unapologetic; why do I think there must have been more to all this than the viewers were given on elim night? How, now, should we recall your Dana-mama-comfort scenes, for example? Real, or not real? Should it matter to a rock band? or to its audience?
Dilana was provided many opportunities during the DaveN Q&A to atone if she felt she had overstepped during the press gig. I didn't hear any of that. She may have done so in private, or in edits left on the floor. Certainly, the reaming and the dressing down she received on the elim show was pretty mild, and didn't fully account for why she was sitting with total despair, slouched posture and hands in lap, pigeon-toed throughout the rest of the show ... Real, or not real? I think this must have been real, and she realizes she won't have a close friend in this bunch again --- and we certainly saw her isolation during the Patrice departure --- she'll only have those with whom she can be civil, and even that minimal level would be a step forward.
So, do I agree with you, dflem, that Lady Dil was treated to an unfair double standard? --- no, I respectfully differ. In my view, she didn't measure up to any gender's standard of civility, on or off camera. From the edits that we get, the rest of the contestant pack is clearly turning its back on her --- and that's all I can go by. Won't be pretty ... oops! apologies to those who find JD references distasteful!
Will she garner the pity vote henceforth? --- shoot, it depends on how you were voting to start with: for performance talent or a combo of perf/character. Il n'y a pas de quoi.
Regardless, whoever this weak SN trio of bandmates decides to select as the "winner", the band will be obliged to overlook that person's flaws, because we've seen them in all contestants: flaws that the bandmembers themselves were anxious to encourage and display for the sake of reality TV, and they will then say: Hey! that, too, is Rock and Roll, baby...
On the other hand, the show's "winner" will be making a great deal more sacrifices than JD ever need have worried about. This SN aftermath thing for one year is so contemporaneous; it'll last as long as an alleyboy's hangover. And with the identical begging that it might end as early as possible.
I can say that SN deserves whomever they select from the remaining candidates --- in the scope of life, it really won't matter a lot. I will attentively watch during the coming few weeks, and then let the whole fun season fade away gently, without aspirin or hot/sour soup. No hangover candidate, here.
lpatrick - August 24, 2006 05:54 PM (GMT)
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"Magni and Toby were awesome," that's it?!?!
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Yep, that was all I had time to post. They were awesome. I don't know what more you would like for me to say. :)
FatOld&Bald - August 24, 2006 07:26 PM (GMT)
These folks that are left are all good. They've all got a certain something that's that makes you want to listen to them, me anyway.
D, Magni and Ryan are the ones that I enjoy the most, though I'd buy music from all of them. D's done something I never expected; she's made me like Lukas. I could buy her music and like it, but I couldn't be a fan of hers as I could for all of the others at this point. Does that matter to the band or the music business? Nope, but that's ok. I don't need it to do so.
Now if you'll excuse me, I must clear wall space for Storm posters and then go searching for a Magni White Tree shirt.
Think we could get Ryan to hold a scythe, wear a hooded cloak, and sit on a dark horse for a few pix.....maybe with a half-transformed were-Lukas off to the side?
beforeiforget - August 24, 2006 09:12 PM (GMT)
!!! Too Wonderful, FO&B !!! May I please invite myself over to your souvenir shop? That's just a beautiful Ingmar Bergman image of Ryan as Death...!
And, as a corollary thought to your Ryan pix, do you think you'd mind stocking a few of those dark horsey-haired hoodies, too, please? And a couple of those beverage coolers that Lukas and Toby always seem to have in their hands. A whole wall of shades would let me be whichever SuperNovice I chose that day. Except Jill; I'm unlikely to choose to be Jill.
Being in your shop could be my full-time fun job. [And, am I recalling that you were off for the summer from your vocation? --- perhaps you've just shared with us what you are returning to! Cheers for a good return.]
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QUOTE (Anybodyhome @ Aug 24 2006, 03:40 AM) "Magni and Toby were awesome," that's it?!?!
Yep, that was all I had time to post. They were awesome. I don't know what more you would like for me to say. |
I'm going to do an "lpatrick": Yep, that's it; they were awesome. Certainly the best elim show we've had, and Fire and Plush were absolutely terrific. That's it! [By the way, lpat, I very much enjoyed your recap this week; cheers!]
lpatrick - August 24, 2006 09:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FatOld&Bald @ Aug 24 2006, 01:26 PM) |
These folks that are left are all good. |
I agree FOB. I think Supernova will have a difficult time the next few weeks.
Thanks for reading the recap BIF.
You guys rock! :)
FatOld&Bald - August 24, 2006 09:58 PM (GMT)
BIF, our surviving contestants would all make excellent characters on Underworld III. They all lend themselves well to being armed and armored (ok, hairy and fanged in Lukas' case) Heck, it could be a musical.....on Broadway, with the cast of SYTYCD thrown in.....ooooo.
beforeiforget - August 25, 2006 08:45 PM (GMT)
Ah, ha! Needed my browser to catch your Underworld reference --- and think I have it now... You'd want that SYTYCD group number that Wade Robson choreographed, correct? --- outstanding! I was leaning Tim Burton on that, but Peter Beere seems a very fine choice.
And Z --- you surely wouldn't bar Z's entrance to this netherworld, would you? or perhaps she's already in charge there?
The were-Lukas... the hairy, fanged, half-transformed, "I don't need no dove" were-Lukas... too funny!
Shall miss you, FO&B.
FatOld&Bald - August 26, 2006 08:43 PM (GMT)
He shoulda said, "I don't need no stinking dove!"
In an archaic sense that I expect you to know, may you fare well.
-Jay